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Dear Nauman (with due respect...not noman it is no-man 'u' is for ain.... if would like),
I would like to answer your statments very precisely so that our communication and frequencies
should be same.
YOU WROTE: Yousaf, in Ayaat posted, it is clearly understandable that they are about deads not about gumraah people.
I WRITE: Read farefully, I did not state that these Ayaats are about "gumraah people". Again I revise, these Ayaats are not about deads, they are about "kafir". Allah subahanatalah has labeled the "kafir" as "murda" and "Momun" as "Zinda". Also labeled the kafir and Momen as one who can see and other who is blind respectively. So these Ayats are not inclusinvely for "deads" and these are very clearly understandable. Read the complete "Surah Fatir" with understanding, you will come to know what is its purpose, context and logic of these Ayat and to whom the Allah subahanatalah is talking about.
(See attached Img#1 from your convenience)
(Also see attached Img#2 from the tafseer of IBNeKASEER, I afraid, you will not agree with any other tafseer except this tafseer [ref. Para 22 Page # 750])
YOU WROTE: Murday can listen, but the meaning of lisen in ayaat i posted are difeernt then the listen to ahadith you posted.
I WRITE
Look at the title of your Ayats in first image where a 4-yrs school going child can read "murdey sun nahin sukte". Now you are asking "Murday can listen". So what's meaning u r talking about? Actually there are two things in your posting which are required to be addressed and eloborated correctly.
1. murde sun nahin sukte 2. visiting the graves and pray
I am discussing only the first one at the moment to focus the one thing at one time. So ahadith I posted with 1st reply is the precise answer of first one.
YOU WROTE: In ayaat the listening mean, listening and helping, in ahaadith you posed, listening mean listening. now i will try to elobarate listening by one example.
when u talk to six month old baby, he listen to u but cant help u or do as desired, but when u talk to an adult he can try to do, what is desired.
so if we go to graves and ask them to help us they wont, as help can be done by Allah only.
I WRITE:
This is the second thing which will be discussed when the conclusion on first one is reached but for the time being I would like to add; you are talking about "Tawassal". It is the only almighty Allah to whom we worship, pray and the most beneficial for us.
YOUR WROTE: May Allah gives us guidance,
I WRITE: AMEEEN!!
YOUR WROTE: we should go to graves but for Istifghaar only.
I WRITE: Agree upto istighfaar.
Rest Allah knows well.
I WRITE: Allah subahanatalah has said in "Quran" :
I have made easy the Quran for understanding, is anybody there to think and understand it.
Allah hafiz and take care yourself with family,relatives and friends
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