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Why don't we wake up & fight for Taliban Rule
Replied by( turkman)
Replied on (3/Nov/2010)
Now everyone can see
You must be crazy to think anybody would believe Al Qaeda does not exist just because of that video that provided no documentary evidence or proof. You threw out tons of evidence that exists proving Al Qaeda existence on just a short video clip denying existence of ... Statements of Osama, Al Qaeda Website on NET, Al Qaeda published Documents found on Al Qaeda Terrorists under arrest etc and news coming out almost every week like below. Read it and then send someone to ask the Al Qaeda Agents in Jail, it exists or not.
----------- Posted by: "marco.pertoni@libero.it"
Wed Nov 3, 2010 11:13 am (PDT)
. Sweden: Two 'jihadists' charged over plot
. Gothenburg, 15 Oct. (AKI) - . Two Al-Qaeda-linked Swedish jihadists of Somali origins were charged with plotting a terrorist attack on Friday, Swedish prosecutors said. The two suspects were charged at a court in Swedens' southern city of Gothenburg.
The suspects, aged 22 and 26 are allegedly associates of the Al-Qaeda linked Somali Islamist group Al-Shabab.
The group is waging an insurgency against the interim government in Somalia and controls controls most of southern and central Somalia.
The plot involved suicide attacks in Somalia, with the aim of "murder" or "maiming" a large number of people and causing "massive damage to property," the charge sheet said.
Prosecutors said the plot was at an early stage but there was a "significant danger" the attacks would be carried out.
The two suspects were in contact with Al-Shabab leader Yassin Ismail Ahmed, according to prosecutors.
Prosecutors are basing their case on numerous intercepted phone conversations, interrogations of the two suspects, and statements from witnesses.
The phone taps also showed that one of the suspects attended an Al-Shabab training camp in Somalia and planned to return there and " become a martyr".
The second suspect was preparing for a future suicide mission, according to prosecutors.
One suspect was arrested in Gothenburg in May and the other in the Swedish capital Stockholm in June.
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.1.1109214953
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Now, every one can see, how blindly you threw this video out of the window
Replied by( Noman)
Replied on (3/Nov/2010)
If BBC show any thing against Talibaan, you will rate it as no 1 news channel. but if they make anything like this, you will not even bother to consider.
shame on you
your facts you keep with you coz now every one can see.
the army men in the video were all fake as well. every thing is fake except Al-Qaeda and terrorist Talibaan for you.
shame on you
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Why don't we wake up & fight for Taliban Rule
Replied by( turkman)
Replied on (3/Nov/2010)
Al Qaeda does not exist?
I wonder, how much ISI paid to get those people to shoot the Documentary that you have attached here that BBC bought and broadcasted ...! Anybody can make such documentary. It has been criticized in the West by ordinary people and even Afghans, Saudis and Pakistanis for its lies.
FACTS:
* During JehaaD against Afghan Communists Osama had started Al Qaeda and he himself said that. (Ref: Osama Interview published in Pakistan and Moslim Countries)
* Al Qaeda had moved to Sudan because Osama had thought Pakistan would not permit his Terrorist Activities against Saudi Arabia.
* His original goal was to dethrone Saudi Royal Family because it was friendly to USA.
* According to Saudi Arabia, Al Qaeda had caused attacks on Americans and he had moved to Sudan because he was Wanted in Suadi Arabia.
* Osama himself admitted Al Qaeda had caused attacks on USA Embassies in African countries. (Ref; His Tape on Al Jazirah) ... Its going to be a very long post if I mentioned everything so, now lets go to Taliban part. * According to Pakistan, Mollaa Omar had refused to hand over Osama to Pakistan so he could stand trial in a 3rd Moslim Country.
* According to Mollaa Omar, when Pak Army Generals had kept pushing me too much to let Osama go, I had said, "If you are so scared of USA and your backs are so weak, take a few of my MojaahiDeen with you so they can hold your Backs ...!" They left after I had insulted them like that. So there goes this new lie that Mollaa Omar was ready to hand over Osama.
I don't know, who are you trying to fool by your these lies.
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Please correct me if i am wrong..
Replied by( Noman)
Replied on (3/Nov/2010)
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America started war against Afghanistan because Talibaan denied handing over Osama to America (as per America they dined although as per all classified information now available Talibaan got agreed to handed over him to third country).
America was wrong about Alqaeeda similar the way they were wrong about WMD in Iraq, if i am not offending you then please watch this video also.
So, i have two simple questions to you
1-This war wasn't against Talibaan at all then why the hell, Talibaan became so notorious in the end.
2-This topic is for Pakistani people not for Talibaan then why the heck you are talking against Talibaan instead of sleeping Pakistani nation
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Why don't we wake up
Replied by( turkman)
Replied on (3/Nov/2010)
You are lying again because there was no Vote on Iraq War in UN General Assembly or Security Council. Moron Bush had gotten approval only from US Congress and Senate by lying to them.
I was against that war. He had no right to do that. He should be put to trial for that but majority of Iraqis were happy that he did because it was tired of Brutal Tyrannical Rule of Soonni Arabs, who were 12% of Iraqi Population and who had killed a couple of million of them.
88% of Iraqi Population is still thankful to USA for that invasion. Arab Shiyah 66%, Soonni Kurds, Turkmen and other minorities 22%. * Has USA stolen anything from Iraq?
* Has Iraq selling Oil to USA?
No. Iraq is selling 3/4th of her Oil to China and India like before and 1/4th to Turkey, Israel and Europeans like it used to before.
* Is Iraq under US Occupation?
No. Iraqi Government runs Iraq just like Afghan Government runs Afghanistan.
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Mr Turkman, Same International Community stopped America to invade Iraq
Replied by( Noman)
Replied on (3/Nov/2010)
Mr Turkman, Same International Community stopped America to invade Iraq, but America invaded Iraq. so what you will call it?
don't you think this is terrorism..?
and if Talibaan are so much terrorist then why the hell, America and Karzai are dying to talk with them?
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Why don't we wake up & fight for Taliban Rule
Replied by( turkman)
Replied on (2/Nov/2010)
Brain rules this world, not Idoicy
KHAN wrote: "Could you explain why the attacker in mumbai incident being tried in indian court or of the new york incident, in USA or A siddique ... if the only verdict is they are "guilty as sin" lets do away with them."
TURKMAN: In the Veil of lack of knowledge you are questioning, why a country should be able to try your Terrorists in her Court of Law, when your Terrorists work for a higher authority called Allah.
KHAN wrote: "Lets dispense with the law and or the legal systems of the world all together completely because as you have rightly labelled we all (and) our talibans living on US aid and one should not be back stabbing"
TURKMAN: So, now you are also claiming the courts of countries in this world had no evidence against any of your Sneak Attack Terrorists and those courts all over the world are set up to convict your Fighters of Allah. Well, this world does not have the same views so, you should move to Mars then or tell Allah to change the Brains of all the people of this world in favor of you so, your Savage Terrorists can take over this world since you people are the only righteous people left on this Planet. KHAN wrote: "I dont know what relevance that has with the present article. But then again mostly people do not make sense, hence the mess all around us. That is indeed a good analysis"
TURKMAN: But the problem is, 90% of the world is with 'us people' and thank God our righteousness and intelligence rules, not your idiocy.
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Why don't we wake up & fight for Taliban Rule
Replied by( turkman)
Replied on (2/Nov/2010)
You are a Taliban pretending to be a peaceful person
KHAN wrote: "I think our lives would be much simpler, if, the international community defines what is "taliban"..., "terrorism"... "extremism" and so on" TURKMAN: * But International Community had defined, what is Terrorism in UN General Assembly in 2001, when it permitted USA to attack Taliban in Afghanistan. Were you asleep for last 9 years? How come you don't know, Soldiers of 56 countries are in Afghanistan including from 6 Moslim Countries and our former East Pakistani brothers are now also coming? All 190 countries could not send their Soldiers because a lot of them are too small and some of them do not even have an Army. ... * Its surprising to learn only you are a Pakistani, who does not know meaning of word 'Taliban'. If you do not even know this, you should not be giving Pakistanis any advice. ... * Its also surprising that you do not know meaning of 'Extremism' and 'Terorism' while you live in Pakistan, where Mosques are bombed on regular basis and about 10,000 Pakistanis die because of Terrorism of Taliban and other Religious Groups.
Who the hell are you trying to fool here?
KHAN wrote: "So we as Pakistanis are clear that these individuals can be killed at will anytime without resorting to courts and these concepts are draconian"
TURKMAN: Pak Constitution permits Civilians, Army and all Law Enforcement Agencies to attack back to defend ourselves if anybody tries to kill us. There is nothing Draconian about it because this law is same in all countries of the world. Why you do not want Taliban or other Extremists to be attacked back if you are not one of them yourself and are coming up with this argument pretending to be one of us? Have not been thousands of your Terrorists have been released by courts because of orders from ISI? I guess, you do not want them to be even arrested because you do not think, they are committing any crime by killing us since you want them to take over Pakistan.
KHAN wrote: "Perhaps then our lives would be at ease and we would be able to differentiate between them, distance ourselves with and live peacefully in harmony like other peaceful countries"
TURKMAN: A good spin to pretend that you are not one of them because you know, Pak Constitution does not permit us to shoot Terrorist at sight, when we do not know, if they are Terrorists or not, when they are not committing any act of violence. ... We have this situation only because in violation of Pak Constitution Clause 256, not only ISI created Non Government Militias but also keeps financing, training and arming them to cause all this havoc of Terrorism in Pakistan and Afghanistan and in the rest of the world.
KHAN wrote: "All we wish to do and see is that peace exists in Pakistan with an increase in economic growth etc"
TURKMAN: We know, peace was the slogan that you guys had boasted after you had conquered Afghanistan but you had achieved that peace by killing half a million Afghans and since Pakistan's population is 7 times that of Afghanistan, you would be killing 6 times more Pakistanis than you had killed there. Let me inform you, Pakistanis do not want 3.5 million of them killed by you people and your Talibani-Wahabi Shriyah Law. In Afghanistan, you had proven to have no knowledge of Economics or Governance and Afghans were starving to death. Millions would have died if USA and the rich countries of the world were not sending $ 200 worth of Food Charity to Afghanistan every year during you rule of Afghanistan.
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khan
Replied by( Asym)
Replied on (2/Nov/2010)
turkman
I think our lives would be much simpler, if, the international community defines what is "taliban"..., "terrorism"... "extremism" and so on. So we as Pakistanis are clear that these individuals can be killed at will anytime without resorting to courts and these concepts are draconian. Perhaps then our lives would be at ease and we would be able to differentiate between them, distance ourselves with and live peacefully in harmony like other peaceful countries. All we wish to do and see is that peace exists in Pakistan with an increase in economic growth etc.
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khan
Replied by( Asym)
Replied on (2/Nov/2010)
Turkman
Your point has been noted. "Not all terrorists can be prosecuted". But then perhaps a distinction should be made who are the ones who could be and should be tried and under what law domestic or international.
My knowledge perhaps is not adequate. Could you explain why the attacker in mumbai incident being tried in indian court or of the new york incident, in USA or A siddique ... if the only verdict is they are "guilty as sin" lets do away with them. Lets dispense with the law and or the legal systems of the world all together completely because as you have rightly labelled we all our talibans living on US aid and one should not be back stabbing.I dont know what relevance that has with the present article. But then again mostly people do not make sense, hence the mess all around us. That is indeed a good analysis.
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WHY DON’T WE WAKE UP
Replied by( turkman)
Replied on (2/Nov/2010)
Are only Taliban Humans not Americans?
KHAN wrote: "Why has the west established the international courts of justice promoting human rights and prosecuting international criminals when the people are going to be bombed by drones anyway with no opportunity to be heard whether they are infact all of them criminals or not".
TURKMAN:
You must be kidding. Is that court for prosecuting every Terrorist in the world?
Would Pakistan arrest all the Taliban so, they can be persecuted there?
Why do you think US Army has no right to go after, the Sneak Attack Terrorist that are killing its Soldiers because those Terrorists are Humans?
Do you want our Police not to attack back, who attacks it and file a case against him in International Court because that Terrorist is Human?
I think, you are really confused about the concept of International Court or just want to legalize cross border terrorism.
KHAN wrote: "But when I get to hear about west bombing these people without any charge, intelligence, evidence, without a chance to have fair trial. I feel that they may be terrorists but after all humans"
TURKMAN:
So, its okay that our land can be used by our Terrorist Mercenaries hired by our Army to kill Soldiers of countries, on who's Charity of Aid since 1953 and Loans since 1955, we have been living off. They should not be attacked back, roll over and die. Why do you think they do not have any right to attack them back in Pakistan, when they run back and when 600,000 strong Pak Army keeps pretending that it can not control just a few thousand of them there in Tribal Areas? (If you want to know, Pak Army had only 16 Tanks before USA had started giving Military Charity to Pakistan)
* Is this why we have been spending half to 3/4th of our Budget every year for decades on Army that it can not control even certain parts of Pakistan despite receiving 2,400 Tanks, 400 Jet Fighters, Helicopter Gunships and a lot of other stuff in Charity from USA since 1950's and $ 10 billion worth of Weapons since 2003?
* Why would US Army be attacking them if Pak Army was doing its job instead of back-stabbing USA through Taliban?
* How would they enter Afghanistan if Pak Army was not letting them?
* Please tell me, out of which of the 191 other countries of the world, Terrorists can leave from one country and enter a Neighboring country carrying Mortors, Rockets, Hand Grenades and Machine Guns day and night at will for so many years besides, Pakistan?
* Do you live in this world or have just arrived from another Planet?
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KHAN
Replied by( Asym)
Replied on (2/Nov/2010)
WHY DONT WE WAKE UP (A REPLY TO TURKMAN)
This is in response to your comments TURKMAN. First all the idea of posting the article is not to have a rule by Talibans of Afghanistan but to strive for a peacful state where our rights and values are protected by the state. Throughout the article, I have on no occassion advocated for a rule by Talibans. All I have attempted is to only highlight the contradictions. The factual state of affairs as are in Pakistan demand attention, as I am worried about all of us, my family and children.
Is it not the case that the situation at hand is worsening with each passing day. If we as Pakistani cant be ensured our safety and security under the present regime... If we cant find jobs... If our businesses and industries are closing down... where should we go to.
The US has been so considerate all along in giving out military aid and charity. But then again have we spent it correctly promoting domestic growth. There is no transparency in spending. Is it not the case that food prices are soaring to new levels whilst the government and courts are busy disputing money laudering cases. Also, as far as the issue about people who are being bombed is concerned, I agree they may be terrorist. But who has declared them so... Why has the west established the international courts of justice promoting human rights and prosecuting international criminals when the people are going to be bombed by drones anyway with no opportunity to be heard whether they are infact all of them criminals or not.
I wish to talk about these disparities and contributions. I am not promoting a rule by Taliban who are extremists. But when I get to hear about west bombing these people without any charge, intelligence, evidence, without a chance to have fair trial. I feel that they may be terrorists but after all humans.
They deserve a chance to be tried atleast and then pronounced guilty and subjected to any punishment. You tell me is this not extremism to kill by bombing "suspects" who after all are humans too. Where is the "Justice".
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Why don't we wake up and fight for Taliban Rule in Pakistan?
Replied by( turkman)
Replied on (1/Nov/2010)
Why don't we fight for Taliban Rule in Pakistan?
I'm quoting some sentences of this writer and adding my comments below. .--------- KHAN wrote:
"... save Pakistan and see it as sovereign and independent state and take it to a higher level of a dignified state ..."
TURKMAN:
Save from who? I had no idea Pakistan was not a Sovereign and independent state. What is higher level of 'dignified' state? Declaring war against USA?
KHAN wrote: "We are the masters of our own destiny ... TURKMAN: ... if we could get a Visa to any Western country" KHAN wrote: "What we as a nation are witnessing is a sharp decline, erosion of our sovereignty, freedom and values and destruction of the fabrics of our state of Pakistan which would eventually lead into a total collapse of the state of Pakistan"
TURKMAN: True. We should stand up against Pak Army and stop it from backstabbing USA so USA does not attack and stop it from getting us killed through its Mercenaries, Taliban to get more Charity of US Weapons Aid.
KHAN wrote: "It has become quite common that western media leaves no opportunity un-availed in declaring Pakistan a failed state"
TURKMAN: That's no right. Western Media should not keep doing this and the West should stop giving Charity of Aid and Loans so, Pakistan can collapse peacefully to her death. Why is the West keeping this sick nation alive since 1950's with its Charity and making Pakistan become more and more undignified by letting her beg for more charity?
KHAN wrote: " ... an independent Australian MP Bob Katter had the audacity to state before the Parliament that the US will invade Pakistan to deal with instability and Australia must send troops there, too"
TURKMAN: What should USA do, when our thankless Army that used to have just 16 Tanks was built by USA including her Basis, Runways, Air Force Basis, underground Hangers with giants Lifts etc for free by USA in 1950's and 60's keeps back-stabbing USA?
KHAN wrote: "The prolonged and on going war on terror is another dilemma confronting the nation killing our very own people whilst the west is not happy and wants us to do more"
TURKMAN: Sneak Terrorism of our Taliban is a war? What kind of war they are fighting that they kill 20 Afghans and Pakistanis for every Foreign Troop they kill in Afghanistan? Why are you calling them 'our own people'? Are our own people supposed to kill us? Oh, I forgot, they are your people.
KHAN wrote: "Do we want this war to go on after reaping the ill conceived petty benefits since 9/11?"
TURKMAN: We doubled our GDP, Per Capita Income and Export in just 5 years after just saying that we are no more with Taliban to save the stinky Ass of our Army, who had not only created them but also accompanied them. If all that is petty and ill conceived for you, tell us what was better than that ...!
KHAN wrote: "The military is helpless under new demands to launch an offensive in North Waziristan in the name of terrorism killing our very own people"
TURKMAN: If this is a new demand, what was the old one in 2004? Has Military started attacking your brother Taliban so far? Is not Military killing only your Enemies in Waziristan just like before for the last 9 years?
KHAN wrote: "According to our law, should not any decision to launch an operation be debated in the Parliament?"
TURKMAN: What about a Debate on existence of you people, the Taliban and JehaaDi Groups that have been created against Clause 256 of Pak Constitution instead? How about asking Army, why have we been feeding it half to 3/4th of our Budget every year to it for decades, when its not even capable of creating Pak Sovereignty over Tribal Areas even after 63 years?
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You have quoted a lot of what is wrong with Pakistan but whatever is wrong with Pakistan its still far cry from your own Talibani Rule of Afghanistan so, stop fooling our youth and go blow yourself in Afghanistan because Pakistanis are not ready to fight for your Savage rule in Pakistan.
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